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Posted: 11 February 2007 07:31 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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so as some of you may know, we have an album out, “the earls of sandwich”.

we’ve been marketing it via myspace, word of mouth, going to shows and handing out samplers, djs playing our tracks, etc…

how else are people marketing their music out there? it’s hard cause we don’t have the money to get any ads in the right magazines, and so far, no real substantial publications have reviewed the disc.

anyone doing anything else out there that’s working really well? or not so well?

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Posted: 12 February 2007 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Well, not that I have any marketing experience [with the exception of marketing myself towards girls as a “oh-so-wonderful boyfriend/future husband” (which, btw, finally worked six years ago on Feb. 13th (but that’s another story))], but I suspect what you two are going through is what my friend and I will be going through in about eight months: How to get people to buy the product?

I’m not sure if I’ll actually answer your question in this post, but what I do hope is that the both of you will at least generate ideas from what I have to say; which will lead towards future sales.

But, I do have a question: Have either of you two taken a marketing class?  If not, I would strongly advise this.  An intro-level class can lead towards ideas on what sort of tactics to use. 

Anyway, you need to define your target market.  Who are the people that will want to actually pay money for your CD?  This is different from people who are willing to listen to your CD, seeing that listeners may not actually purchase.  Once you’ve figured out who will buy, you need to come up with the “Marketing Mix”: Product, price, place, and promotion.

Product: What is it that you are trying to sell; is it a product or a service (and remember, a service can be an experience)?  How tangible is the item?  Is it download only?  Or is a physical CD available as well?

Price: What are you charging?  For a new “electronic” act, are you over-pricing your product to the point where people just don’t want to pay for it?

Place:  How is it being distributed?  Is it only from your MySpace account? Or is it also sold at iTunes, PsyShop, Yahoo, indy-stores, etc.?

Promotion: How is the product being communicated towards the target market?  How much money to spend on promotion?  In otherwords: Advertising.  This is the biggie, and probably the one that you two are having the most issues with. [quote author=“radioactivesandwich”] it’s hard cause we don’t have the money to get any ads in the right magazines, and so far, no real substantial publications have reviewed the disc.

Because money is an issue for the two of you (although looking at the two studios I question how that could be the case), you may want to look into what I call a “low-level market penetration” tactic.  Basically this is a way of getting “Promotion” without spending too much money.

I say this because I strongly believe that direct advertising (buying ad-space) and music reviews ( I suspect you guys are thinking of something like CMJ) will not actually generate the level of sales that you two are expecting. Or, in otherwords, your music is uber-targeted and not mainstream enough to attract the number of buyers that you think direct advertising will garner [to understand what I’m getting at, read my post in this thread: http://www.twisted.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=875&start=0 ].

You’ve already stated that DJs are playing your songs, but you don’t define this exactly.  What sort of DJs?  If they are spinning your tunes at a rave/party, then there is basically no way that people are going to know who wrote the song.  On the other hand, if they are radio DJs, then those radio DJs can promote your songs. 

What I’m basically getting at is this: You two need to seek-out radio DJs and develope an interpersonal relationship so that they will play your songs on the air and provide purchasing information for the listening audience.  Probably, the best way to do this is to actually make contact with Program Directors or the DJs at college radio stations throughout the country.  As best as I can tell, almost all college radio stations have a website, and finding out who the PDs or DJs are is pretty easy.  You should also note that college radio DJs are more than willing to play anything that is thought of as being “underground”; hence you need to make sure that they understand you are not associated with a major label.

You two should also make contact with online “radio stations” such as Digitally Imported (http://www.di.fm) and Philosomatika (http://www.philosomatika.com) to have them play your songs.

Obviously, none of the above may actually generate sales, but it does lead towards market exposure.

With that said, you two also need to make sure that your music is available for sale from a well established vendor.  If your songs are available only on your MySpace account, then you are limiting your potential for sales.  Having your music available from iTunes (or similar) creates an aura of “quality”, which is what you want your target market to understand: You guys actually “produce quality music that all will want to enjoy.”  Simply “selling CDs out of your basement” doesn’t create buyers, but creates attitudes of “amature artists.” 

Lastly, perform live.  Nothing generates “buzz” like a live performance.  The more you guys play to a live crowd, the more you will get a following.  And, make sure you have around 10-20 “free CDs” to give away to people that liked your live set.

In a nut-shell: Get college radio and “online radio” to play your tunes,  get an online distributor to host your tunes, and, get your asses out towards doing live sets.

I should also note that I DON’T believe having physical CDs sitting around in record stores is the way to go.  I’m a firm believer that the future of music is pay-for-download.  What I’m trying to say is don’t spend money on pressing CDs, unless you are willing to give them away as a “marketing expense.”

Anyway, I hope I have been of some help.

If you two have already tried all of the above with no success, then that only means one of two things: 1. Your music sucks, or 2. You have not correctly defined your target audience. 

Let me know how things go.

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Posted: 12 February 2007 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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forgot to mention that slice two actually works in the marketing department of a record label in NYC…

but it’s a totally different kind of music and a different approach since we don’t have the money

all the things you’ve suggested we already know. we were more wondering if anyone was doing anything specific that was working really well for them. something unique and crazy.

granted, we haven’t been at it that long, and the response we’ve gotten so far has been awesome, but we’re trying to find something thats different then what most others are doing.

thanks for the feedback madox.

and just so people know, we have our tunes up on itunes, napster, rhapsody, emusic, snocap, cdbaby, and loads of other dsps.

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Posted: 12 February 2007 10:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Looks like your doing all the right things…..I guess it’s just a matter of time before things get really rolling for you.  Have you sent CD samples etc to all the main labels like TIP?  I’m sure you will have if you’ve done everything else.

Maybe contact Simon H & P at Twisted and be straight and say why not sign us to the label and if not why?  Then ask them what they would recommend in order to make progress in the right direction even if not necessarly via Twisted - they will have so many contacts.

I think even the presence you have on the forum has helped highted awarness for you and if I remember a while back they mentioned about doing a sessions album with artists who have submitted stuff via the sessions section so you may get a track on there.

Like all things in life you reap what you sow and it’s only a matter of time for you guys.  A good saying is…‘begin somewhere you can’t build a reputation on what you intend to do’ (not sure where from) :D

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Posted: 12 February 2007 11:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Ah see, there you go:  I didn’t even know you guys were on iTunes!  I may actually see about buying a song or two.

Basically, you just indirectly told me where I can get your songs at.  The fact that I didn’t know this until now probably means there isn’t effective communication you guys and potential buyers.

I suspect that because you are posting this question, it means that you are not getting the exposure that you want.  I would really look into playing live at various raves/clubs around the U.S. (such as L.A., S.F., Chicago, etc) before you try crazy marketing ideas.

Yeah, I know this is traditional and boring and not what you’re asking, but seriously, you guys need to branch out further from NYC and/or east coast.  And, you need to actually let people know where to buy your music at, because it doesn’t seem to be clearly communicated.

I might mention though that a local rap-artist teamed up with a liquor store and a brand of alcohol.  If people bought a certain type of alcohol, he would sign the bottle.  It seemed to work because it got him exposure by being mentioned in a news paper about this, and as well as the cops were called out for crowd control.

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Posted: 13 February 2007 10:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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yo electro… si p and b both know us personally at this point. we made a habit of gettin’ all up in Ps face whenever he played here in NY and it’s at the point where he def. knows us (we made him a pb’n'j sandwich for the boat show, haha).

speaking of exposure actually, we just got an email saying our track Passing Through will be featured on the cover disc for Future Music issue 186!!! we’re super syked about that. its totally wicked.

i think part of the problem is that we’re really impatient. haha. we’ve only been working together for a little under 3 years and so far the exposure we’ve gotten (for promoting ourselves and not having played any shows) is really wicked. we just want more.

we’re looking to send stuff to labels as well but we don’t want to be that kind of act that just releases singles, you know? we wanna release albums that you sit down and enjoy, yet would also work in the club scenario… so we’re trying to get together a reallyl wicked package to send them… and the whole thing is going to be packaged in a metal lunchbox to go with the whole sandwich theme. haha.

i think all the advice given here is really really good. its really hard to get it all done in a timely fashion when you’re juggling fulltime jobs, writing music, family, and promotion; granted, it’s all worth it, but its still hard… and it costs money! haha.

we’d love to get a track released on twisted, we’re just waiting for them to ask us for one. we feel at this point, though, the whole crew knows us and knows our tunes enough that if they were interested they would have asked already and we dont want to drive them crazy by sending them music all the time.  we’re just going to keep trying and keep writing until the men upstairs feel like we’re worth putting on a comp. we think we’re worth it, but our opinion won’t convince them! haha.

as for communicating that our tunes are easily purchasable, we’ve posted tons of posts on forums telling people where the tracks are available, there’s links on our myspace page, a full store page on our homepage, and we released press releases to a bunch of websites and forums when we dropped the album. people know it’s there… we’ve just found that people are really lazy. we did this promotion last month for two’s birthday where if you sent a self addressed/stamped envelope to us, we’d send u a FREE copy of our album… and we had very few takers… i mean.. seriously.. for like… 3 bucks, people could have had a free signed cd and hardly anyone took advantage of it. its just ridiculous.

all in all, the music industry is a fickle and evil whore that’s really hard to get into.

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Posted: 02 March 2007 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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I guess the people just need to get to know you more…, but then later when you’re quite known, you’d probably have too many asking for a free CD smile

I don’t remember, but did you post the info in the Infected Mushroom forum?
I know there are a lot of artists who post music on the Infected Mushroom forums. Even remixes from Infected Mushroom songs by others, appreciated by Infected Mushroom themselves.

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