Just thought to myself… why you - the producers, “borrow’ samples from movies , video games or sample packs, instead of recording their own samples… eg; recording animals or just asking from a good vocalist to help..all that ‘borrowing’ wents nice at the end but it kinda looks amateurish to me, the ‘great sound producers’ worldwide should know also how to make their own vocal/sample…I would like to hear any other point of views about sound sampling and vocal recordings in the psyscene nowadays, thanks!

The way I see it, a sample from a movie can make a song so much better. For instance 1200 Micrograms use of a sample from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in the beginning of their track Mescaline. Now to me that track wouldn’t be the same without that sample at the beginning, it just makes the track so much better because its there.

Well kind of.. but my point is that they should CREATE the sound and not ‘borrow’ it..
maybe recording wild animals in caves or I don’t know what ;D

There is a certain amount of joy to be derived from finding a great phrase or sound in some obscure film and using it in a bit of music. Old films are great for this. Of course, the line between a good sample and a poor one seems thin.

For example, I consider 1200 Mics using quotes from The Matrix in “DMT” to be a bit cheesy. However, Shpongle using a quote from “Forbidden Planet” (incidentally, the first film with an entirely electronic soundtrack) strikes me as quite classy.

When I hear a sample that I recognise in a peice of music it feels a bit like I’ve got a deeper connection to the tune. It’s like you’ve worked out a secret about it… It’s even better when you hear a sample that you don’t recognise, then later you hear it in a film or something, and then you can say to anyone who’ll listen “shpongle (or whoever)  sampled that!” and feel like you’ve got a connection from “real life” to the music…. words are kinda hard to get the feeling across, but I like it.

Also, samples from films come with a sort of emotion/feeling attached to them from the source they originally came from. Many other people when hearing the sample, will recognise the source, and so attach that sentiment to the tune as well. Created samples, although original, more “pure” and so on, have to work a lot harder in order to capture that.

Have I just written a load of crap, or do you get what I’m trying to say?

They shouldn’t sample anything they can recreate themselves

They can’t recreate lines from movies

Therefore…

(I’m probably being a bit simplistic there, sorry… I don’t think artists should rely TOO much on samples either, whether they’re from movies or CDs or whereever. I heard a good rule of thumb to use is: If you take all the samples out, will the track still sound good?)

“They shouldn’t sample anything they can recreate themselves” .... why not? surely that’s the point in sampling?    :?:

If they have the ability to recreate it, but they choose not to, isn’t that just being lazy?

Maybe we’re on different wavelengths here, could you rephrase your last post

If they have the ability to recreate it, but they choose not to, isn’t that just being lazy?

Yes. I agree.

Maybe we’re on different wavelengths here, could you rephrase your last post

I think we are! What I meant was : when you said that

They shouldn’t sample anything they can recreate themselves

They can’t recreate lines from movies

Therefore…

it follows that if I can’t recreate birdsong , then I should not use a sample of birdsong in a peice of music. Surely sampling is a tool that allows you to use sound sources that you would otherwise not be able to?...... such as Ned Flanders being in a YB tune.

Am I making any sense? I’ve confused myself now. I think :D

I agree wholeheartedly; sorry that’s actually what I was trying to say in my original post :oops:

Musicians shouldn’t sample things like bassdrums and breakbeats and synthesizer patterns, because that’s just being lazy

But samples from movies and TV shows are fine, because it’s impossible to recreate them

(We got there in the end!)

Well then how about sampling complicated tribal drum beats or sounds that, while duplicative, would likely be difficult and might not come out sounding as nice?

I don’t know
Follow your heart?

It’s not like these “rules” are set in stone