Look, the world needs more of this music. times are hard. don’t keep it a secret. post on forums, get the word out. ask your local music stores to sell it…underground is not always good. the new YB is a perfect intro for people, i think..but don’t be surprised, even my mother loves shpongle…
there’s two psy music stores here in amsterdam…and they sell pure crap, just one copy of nothing lasts that’s been there for months. the owner claims to have one of the biggest collections in the world. for me to poop on.
we’re in the business of selling records and promoting our music
some of us need to earn a living here. most of our artists have mouths to feed, kids to put through school !
I think that is the bottom line on it, from the folks who are actually doing it. I can sympathise with people (“the listeners”) who want “their” music kept for themslves, they want to feel it’s “theirs” and not at risk of being diluted/hijacked by “the mainstream”.... but utimately it’s not “theirs”, and if the people who actually can say it is theirs (i.e. the artists) wanted to all record cheesey pop songs or “keep it safe underground” or compose nothing but welsh folk music :? , then that’s their business…. and if they want to go huge with it all (to coin a phrase) then I say more power to them! :D
our artists have mouths to feed, kids to put through school !
Well I do agree with that twisted situation of the psy-music nowadays, but on the other side I see the other music that was underground before; Metal / Punk ...
and they are now highlighted but still not for everyone and not on MTV….
yes, you should not play in MTV shows or any other crappy events, but you still need to let listeners enjoy and not to keep it for 300-500 copies (mostly happens on the darkpsy releases), world should enjoy the music..and yeah Ill keep my eyes on this topic aswell :D should be intresting.
as long as twisted keep putting out good music whether or not they stay in the underground scene or move into the mainstream is kind of irrelevant. if more people outside of the psy scene start getting into it then that’s fine with me, if it stays in that scene then that’s also fine with me i’m not really a big fan of this whole ‘the only good music is underground music’, some of the best bands in the world have been hugely popular (floyd, the beatles, radiohead etc etc). good music can be found anywhere…
i can sympathize with wanting to keep secret a favorite, relatively unknown band, but this is Great Art we are talking about. it’s not a reward that the masses can deserve. i really think there is a reason music like this emerges when it does, just like all great art that’s born to inspire the world at crucial points in history. should we censor the poets, painters, photographers who all have an urgent message for the world because a small group of fans identify with them? you’re truly a fan(atic) if you feel that way, and missing the whole point of the art to begin with. it’s made to be shared with the world. sure, many may not see it for what it’s worth, but many can and will. aren’t you happy someone or something turned you on to this music? so what if people may make music that tries to sound like these guys. the end result is the same. it’s the highest form of flattery and serves to make the real thing more, not less, valuable. personally, i love seeing the faces of people light up when i introduce them, and i’d love seeing it even more if it happened in a music store. selling out is not the same thing as acquiring a larger audience. i think it’s more to do with how you do it.
it’s almost as though this object in hyperspace, glittering in hyperspace, throws off reflections of itself, which actually ricochet into the past, illuminating this mystic, inspiring that saint or visionary, and that out of these fragmentary glimpses of eternity we can build a kind of map, of not only the past of the universe, and the evolutionary egression into novelty, but a kind of map of the future….-terence mckenna
if the mainstrem will have us i’ll be a willing new memeber. I’ve never understood the whole underground versus mainstream thing anyway-it means nothing and really only means popular versus niche market. The mainstream is full of shit,bland,unimaginative crap and so is the underground and both have rare examples of brilliance. Personally i have musical tastes that include popular/mainstrean acts and unpopular/underground acts - here’s a little list( i love a list)
miles davis- underground then mainstream
beethoven- underground then mainstream
pinkfloyd - underground and then mainstream
velvet underground- speaks for itself really
there you go—all great but not all one or the other…...just goes to show its a meaningless distinction.
p.s and i would sure love to do what i do and be rich at the same time…...so all you millions of people in the mainstream come this way you are welcome here!!
I think Prometheus summed up my thoughts perfectly. In my mind also there is no mainstream vs underground. its just popularity vs more obscure. That being said I can understand that many fans don’t want the twisted sound being diluted into shit…
All said I’d love to listen to my favorite twisted artists on the Radio, imagine driving to work listening to Shpongle, KoxBox or Prometheus??
yeah, prometheus pretty much said it…and all pretty mckenna quotes aside, there seems to be a misconception of mass appeal amounting to a “dilution”. it’s not like twisted’s going to lower their standards and bang out albums of inferior quality just to make cash like so many “mainstream” and “underground” acts do. obviously it’s not just about money. twisted’s got integrity, and you can hardly fault them for wanting to maintain that and get paid well for it.
[quote author=“digitalex”]yeah, prometheus pretty much said it…and all pretty mckenna quotes aside, there seems to be a misconception of mass appeal amounting to a “dilution”. it’s not like twisted’s going to lower their standards and bang out albums of inferior quality just to make cash like so many “mainstream” and “underground” acts do. obviously it’s not just about money. twisted’s got integrity, and you can hardly fault them for wanting to maintain that and get paid well for it.
Hit the nail there alex and to use floyd as an example they have mass appeal but are not ‘cheese’, I could see Twisted evolving that way, the music will always have integretry. I hardly think that the Twisted clan will end up with trendy haircuts, dance routines and naff bad boy styleeeee!
As Simon P pointed out people have to earn a living also and I’ve worked for myself before and it’s blimin hard graft keeping everything going and the bank balance in order. :D
This music is as big of a part of me as breathing. Before I used to listen to run of the mill music, as I did not know that there was a beautiful musical paradise just off the shore of mediocre music. Ever since I listened to my first Shpongle track, I’ve been in love. This love quickly became a deep obsession, and I wouldn’t be the same without it. This music has to be one of the best things to ever happen to me.
When I said “Keep it underground” I wasn’t trying to say “keep it secret”. To me underground is music that still has its soul intact. For instance, Kottonmouth Kings are an “underground” band, but yet many know about them and many enjoy them. As much as I dislike their music, they still have their soul. I have introduced many (well not too many, as I am quite a loner) to this music, and all have enjoyed. I’m considering getting into contact with the college DJ’s and introducing them to Twisted. Or perhaps I should join them and spread the happy Psychedelic vibes myself. I am in no way opposing a larger audience.
Now when I said “keep it safe” I am simply refereing to protecting the beautiful soul this music possesses. Let me bring up for example the punk movement. When punk started it was essentially a “cultural revolution”. The way it is today is far from what it used to be. Don’t get me wrong, its not completely gone. There are still bands out there that stick what punk was about. Now it seems that getting a mohawk is just meaningless fashion, instead of doing it to be against the grain. You want to be a punk? Hop into your car and cruise to the mall and visit your local Hot Topic store. Just like the Hippie movement, its soul was robbed and turned into a money making fad.
Now in my original post, it may have seemed that I was saying “Don’t get a larger audience, I want this as my little secret.” However such is not the case. I oppose “selling out” yes, but not a desire for a larger audience.
I apologize if I confused anyone. I must have been one of those “nights” when I posted last. Like I said before, this music is beautiful. This is art, unlike any I’ve seen before. I love it, and more people need to see what I have gotten to see.
Here’s hoping you get what you want Prometheus!
Seems like a worthless argument. All artists like money for doing what they love. And if so many people in the world have fallen in love with their work, for it to be called mainstream. Then they probably feel incredible. Just as I feel incredible each time another person expresses their love of my work. Just as I am sure Prometheus and the rest of Twisted feel the same.
Just because an artist has enough fans to be called mainstream, does not, by any means, mean that “the mainstream” crap-loving audience loves them.
And also, technically, if you’ve joined a label you already sold yourself out. But that’s not always a bad thing… Anyway, as long as they are doing something they love, they haven’t sold out. People seem to confuse this, and think that when an artist changes their style or does something new, they have suddenly sold out. For example, probably everyone in this thread thinks Infected Mushroom are sell outs, just because they evolved and matured and are doing/inventing new things with their sound.
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