[quote author=“Zurr0”]By the way, I would call it sharing and not stealing. Based on the fact that If someone let me borrow a cd of let us say Hallucinogen, and I made a copy of it or even just listened to it, I would call that sharing. Stealing is taking something that does not belong to you. Music is something that is I dunno….universal or something. It’s not stealing if I learn a guitar riff from a famous guitarist and play it to myself. It would be them sharing their music to me and me appreciating it. Music is ment to be heard and appreciated not marketed. Realistically speaking. But I do realize if you want to continue to be a musician you must make money to support your habit. So don’t even get all pissy with me. By the way, Simon H is always a negaive nelly on the forum boards :(
first off.. .relax… of course, in saying that, i realize i’m about to flip my shit… hypocritical? sure… do i care? nope!
2nd off… “sharing” music is STEALING MUSIC. why? here’s why.
artists and labels PAY to have that music created and then sell it to pay back their costs. by “sharing” that music, you are taking away the money that they could be making from the sale of that “shared” album you gave out. the music DOESN"T BELONG TO YOU CAUSE YOU DIDNT PAY FOR IT. you’re right, music IS meant to be heard and and appreciated. but it is ALSO meant to be marketed. its a business. no matter what it comes down to, if simon and co don’t make money, they will close up shop and you wont have access to as many tunes.
your comment about a guitar riff is only half true. yes, if you play a famous riff in ur bedroom, ur not stealing. but if you record that riff, and sell it as your own, and don’t pay the original artist, you are, in fact, stealing.
“Really what it comes down to is I SUPPORT TWISTED by the simple fact that I SUPPORT THE MUSIC PERIOD. I support the music by listening and appreciating it. Period….”
ok.. so u support the MUSIC, but ur NOT supporting the ARTIST or LABEL. u realize that right? by saying it’s ok to download hte music that they’ve put money into, you’re not giving the artist/label any money.
what you ALSO fail to realize is, yes, most ARTISTS make their money off of touring and merch, but the labels usually don’t see a DIME of that. the labels make their money of selling the records. and if the record doesnt sell, then what motivation does the label have to release more records from the artist? now, in the states, some artists are signing new deals where the labels get a piece of hte merch/tour profit, which is more lucrative for both parties becasue the label is more likely to sink money into it. example: madonna just signed a $120mill deal with livenation that way… they will “release” her albums and help market and promote every single aspect of the artist.
do you have ANY idea how much it costs to release a record? do you know anything at ALL about the music industry? i can tell you that alone, the sandwich has spent almost $10k out of our own pockets just to do the small releases we have done… you really need to make sure you know what ur talking about before u speak. ur stating opinions, not facts… and that’s what matters when it comes down to business… facts..
and to be fair, with a small label like twisted, they probably do get to see most of hte money on their sales as their overhead probably isn’t that much. AND… if you call sticking up for the industry that puts food on ur table and feeds ur family “brown-nosing”, then consider me shit-faced. i work day in and day out for a record label so that i can take care of my wife, my dog, my rent, future children, etc., which means i HAVE to fight for them or ill starve and be homeless.
i want you to go out, sink thousands of dollars into a project, and then try and pay it back when no one buys ur product cause they’re copying it from their friends… then see what its like being a poor musician in debt. hey… it’s just sharing, right?
you have a whole lot ot learn my son… a whoooole lot to learn.
i believe in downloading music simply to find out if it’s worth my money. if its worth my money, then i buy it and rerip it myself (im anal like that). no one here is not guilty of downloading music… but it all comes down to what you do once you’ve downloaded that music.
and dimu, as for VSTs, i used to download them all the time when i first started out cause i didnt’ know shit.. .now i realy only use freeware and stuff i’ve bought (audio damage makes some KILLER plugins and they’re pretty cheap). i’ve bought most of their plugins, the full FLStudio, ableton live, and of course, thousands of $$ in hardware i’ve gotten rid of a lot of hte cracked vsts i used to use cause i found freeware that was just as good and wasn’t stealing… and i DO delete music i dont like if i download it and it sucks. what’s the point of keeping it and taking up space if i’m not going to listen to it… perfect example: that piece of shit album infected mushroom just put out… hahahaha.
and in terms of simon h being a negative nelly… i’d be pretty negative too if someone came on and said they were stealing the works that i’ve worked so hard to release…
these views are those of slice two exclusively. if slice one feels the same, he’ll voice his opinions…