[quote author=“EbelEyes”]Its sharing… not stealing?

No, its stealing because its not yours.

If you make a track and you want to copy it and give it to your friends then feel free.

That is sharing.

Now don’t get me wrong. I think that the world of downloads has done some good. For instance, I do the same thing as slice two. If its good, then by all means support it. If it sucks, delete it.

how is downloading from someone else in the world different then receiving it from a neighbor friend? Either way, you are getting it for “free”

By the way, my entire point of even mentioning I could upload to someone else, was purely for the identification of the song. I wasn’t like HEY FREE MUSIC RIGHT HERE JUST ASK ME. I just wanted help identifiying these songs! I wanted to know cause I like most people, want everything simon has put out. I am what you would call….a fan….

Here’s another way to look at the argument of using samples.

You buy a house that someone else has built. You can do whatever you want to that house as it is yours. The guy who built the house can’t sue you for say knocking through the wall from kitchen into your dining room. And if you make money from doing so that is not wrong. You’re not buying a house where the only thing you can do is live in it so why when you buy a dvd or cd with sounds on are you only allowed to listen. You have basically bought that sound so why can’t you change it and use it? Just like you changed the house.

I know this has dragged away form downloading music a bit but an interesting point all the same.

Zurr0, i think if you were a Fan you would buy all possible cds and lps at once and be proud of that

about downloading and borrowing cds from friends - yes, you’re right it’s the same thing, but it’s the same illegal thing to do! (usually it says on cds or cd covers in small font that you can’t lend it or copy it, smth like that)

i’ve thought about it a lot and decided that the best solution would be some donation system on artists’ websites so even if you download some tracks (its pretty possible you cant order some rare compilation released several years ago), you could still pay for it.

another point is the money actually earned by an artist when you buy a cd - i’ve read a book on music production and if i’m not mistaken it said the artist gets smth around 10% or even 5% from 1 sold copy - all the rest goes on production/promotion costs and to the label, then a part on marketing and to the shop, so if you donate $20 for an album directly to an artist, he’ll get 10 times more

and the last one - it doesn’t actually refer to true music lovers, but now many people mostly use mp3s because they listen to music on their computers and ipods, so they don’t realy need a physical cd and its better to pay $10 to download an album than to spend twice as much on a piece of plastic which you’ll then have to grab and convert to mp3 - and again i think artists would profit if you could download from their websites and pay those $10 directly to them

but still a cd is a very nice material piece which you can hold and put on you shelf, and i like to look through booklets while listening, so i’m planning to buy the music i like and listen to it on proper equipment, not a crappy player :D

and so far buying cds is the best way of approving your admiration… maybe in several years a new system will work out - we’ll see :wink:

[quote author=“DiMuTech”]Here’s another way to look at the argument of using samples.

You buy a house that someone else has built. You can do whatever you want to that house as it is yours. The guy who built the house can’t sue you for say knocking through the wall from kitchen into your dining room. And if you make money from doing so that is not wrong. You’re not buying a house where the only thing you can do is live in it so why when you buy a dvd or cd with sounds on are you only allowed to listen. You have basically bought that sound so why can’t you change it and use it? Just like you changed the house.

I know this has dragged away form downloading music a bit but an interesting point all the same.

the house example doesn’t work cause in music terms, buying a house is like “work for hire”. work for hire means that the label pays u to write a song and they own it and can do whatever they want with it. if the house were a piece of art, and you were buying it as art and the creator still held the copyright, then you would not be able to do anything with it if you bought a sample CD, that’s different than using a sample from a copyrighted work. Sample cds are created and copyrighten under different laws than things like tv/dvds. when u buy a tv/dvd show, etc.. ur not buying the sounds… u dont own them.. ur only buying the reproductions to enjoy in ur home. notice they always say “no public displays of this material” on the dvd without consent? sample CDs and music/dvds are different beasts completely - sample cds are royalty free, music/tv dvds are not.

and zurro… i’m sorry… but you’re still wrong. legally and constitutionally you are wrong. in the eyes of almost every musician and producer out there, you are wrong (unless said artist specifically says GO DOWNLOAD MY STUFF). but as your set in ur “ethical facts”, there’s nothing we can do to make you realize that regardless of burning, downloading, or uploading, it’s still stealing and its still illegal. 

a true fan makes sure the artist gets paid for what he does so that the artist can continue to create art that others will enjoy.

“i feel like i’m taking crazy pills!” - mugato

[quote author=“radioactivesandwich”][
if you bought a sample CD, that’s different than using a sample from a copyrighted work. Sample cds are created and copyrighten under different laws than things like tv/dvds. when u buy a tv/dvd show, etc.. ur not buying the sounds… u dont own them.. ur only buying the reproductions to enjoy in ur home. notice they always say “no public displays of this material” on the dvd without consent? sample CDs and music/dvds are different beasts completely - sample cds are royalty free, music/tv dvds are not.

I see now. Ok another one final one I think as you are knowledgeable. . (Cool you got to work in that side of the business, must come in handy. I had heard about the time thing. Good to know it’s BS) Anyway a voice sample for example that I recreate using my own voice like in this track I’m working on. Is that ok to do. Surely words aren’t copyrighted to. Are they?? :?

[quote author=“DiMuTech”]
I see now. Ok another one final one I think as you are knowledgeable. . (Cool you got to work in that side of the business, must come in handy. I had heard about the time thing. Good to know it’s BS) Anyway a voice sample for example that I recreate using my own voice like in this track I’m working on. Is that ok to do. Surely words aren’t copyrighted to. Are they?? :?

now THAT is a good one. for the most part, you can def. do that. in fact, we’ve done that ourselves. what you would not be able to do (i believe) is use a copyrighted tagline… for example.. i dont think you could do a sample urself that said CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN’?!?! cause i that is probably copyrighted by that dumbass wrestler somehow. thats a bit more touchy though and i’m not 0 sure. we’ve never really thought about it. i can ask one of hte layers though here at the office later if i remember. but that’s what we do… whenever we like a sample or a line, we just redo it ourselves.. esp if its something that can’t be traced specifically to something else.

NOW… in terms of music… if you cut a guitar line out of a song and use it in ur song… u sample it… then u have to pay MASTER recording rights AND PUBLISHING recording rights… BUT… if you were to replay it urself, you ONLY need to pay publishing rights i believe. i;m sure it works almost the same way with speech lines and such. i remember reading a few weeks ago about a guy who used the “i wanna fuck you like an animial” line in a song and had to pay nine inch nails for publishing royalties and give them writing credits on the song, but i might be mistaken.

now… on a nicer note, radioactive sandwich has put up about 10 songs from our b-sides for free download and sharing. you have our permission to download these songs and share them with your friends. we hope that if you like them, you check out the 3 albums we have on all the digital music services right now. we assure you, the albums are insanely better than the b-sides, so if you like the b-sides, you’ll LOVE the albums. from that page, you can also hear samples of our 3 albums and there are links to the different stores you can get them at. BOOYA!  http://www.last.fm/music/radioactive+sandwich/b-sides

oddly enough, wired.com has a great article today about samples and the wu-tang clan.

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/15-11/pl_music

[quote author=“radioactivesandwich”]
now… on a nicer note, radioactive sandwich has put up about 10 songs from our b-sides for free download and sharing. you have our permission to download these songs and share them with your friends. we hope that if you like them, you check out the 3 albums we have on all the digital music services right now. we assure you, the albums are insanely better than the b-sides, so if you like the b-sides, you’ll LOVE the albums. from that page, you can also hear samples of our 3 albums and there are links to the different stores you can get them at. BOOYA!  http://www.last.fm/music/radioactive+sandwich/b-sides

Thanks for the info.

I have already your b sides thank you for the wonderful freebie, but I want to buy Earls of Sandwich but not the cd as CD baby have a really bad p+p price to Sweden as I found out when I bought LostWhiteBrother from there so I was able to buy an mp3 download version of the album. However there is no option for that with your album. If one doesn’t have itunes is there another way to buy this album for download??(itunes destroyed my music library last time I had it setup. I’ve got tracks all over the place as it decided on it’s own, honestly, to rearrange all my folders. It’s taking me ages to find tracks)
You can set up a shop on myspace to sell your stuff I read.

Cancel that last one I went on to your myspace page and saw you can get it via amazon also for mp3 sweet.
I’ll get that as soon as I get home after visiting my mate.

Zurr0, i think if you were a Fan you would buy all possible cds and lps at once and be proud of that

about downloading and borrowing cds from friends - yes, you’re right it’s the same thing, but it’s the same illegal thing to do! (usually it says on cds or cd covers in small font that you can’t lend it or copy it, smth like that)

i’ve thought about it a lot and decided that the best solution would be some donation system on artists’ websites so even if you download some tracks (its pretty possible you cant order some rare compilation released several years ago), you could still pay for it.

another point is the money actually earned by an artist when you buy a cd - i’ve read a book on music production and if i’m not mistaken it said the artist gets smth around 10% or even 5% from 1 sold copy - all the rest goes on production/promotion costs and to the label, then a part on marketing and to the shop, so if you donate $20 for an album directly to an artist, he’ll get 10 times more

and the last one - it doesn’t actually refer to true music lovers, but now many people mostly use mp3s because they listen to music on their computers and ipods, so they don’t realy need a physical cd and its better to pay $10 to download an album than to spend twice as much on a piece of plastic which you’ll then have to grab and convert to mp3 - and again i think artists would profit if you could download from their websites and pay those $10 directly to them

but still a cd is a very nice material piece which you can hold and put on you shelf, and i like to look through booklets while listening, so i’m planning to buy the music i like and listen to it on proper equipment, not a crappy player :D

and so far buying cds is the best way of approving your admiration… maybe in several years a new system will work out - we’ll see :wink:

A fan can be someone who owns none of thw artists material. For I am a fan of Alex Grey. Yet I own nothing that he has done. You know If I lived in fantasy land I would have thousands of dollars to flop down on ALL of the cds I want. But the simple fact is I don’t have literally hundreds of dollars to buy all the material I want, There are several cds I would like to buy right now from their store, but it would cost me literally hundreds of dollars. But, I still want to hear the music. I still want the music. To radioactive, you’re right, you’re not going to change my views nor am I yours. You believe every piece of music should be paid for and I believe otherwise. Still I am going to consider myself a supporter and lover of Twisted. But ya wow this conversation has GONE so FAR off topic. :O LOVE ALL!

I think thery should put more into the actual cd too. For example, the YB cd FoB has like nothing in it. Just pretty much the cover picture and the cd. I want some visuals. Lyrics. Credits. Maybe tell us where they got some samples or from what people. A bigger shoutout. I dunno things like that would make the cd more desireable. A more complete package.

amazon.com has all our stuff to and its in regular DRM free mp3 and higher quality!

check out the page HERE

i think you can get all 30 album songs for under $27 bucks! note though, to get the album only track “gamblin’ it is” you need to buy spices from the left hand column, not from the track list.

the albums are also available on emusic.

this is the only thing we agree on.

but zurro… realize this… just because you don’t BELIEVE the sky is blue doesn’t make it not blue… right? just because you don’t BELIEVE music trading is a bad thing, doesn’t make it true.

And just because you think it’s wrong, doesn’t make it fact. Both sides are matters of opinion.