I did a google search on Skylon today.
I was horrified that it was already posted on a couple filesharing sites.
The album isn’t even out on shelves yet,
so it had to be uploaded someone that preordered it.
Which one of you sick bastards did it?
I don’t think you people realize that without paying for it, there will be no more music like this.
If you want more, YOU HAVE TO PAY!
Please please please don’t defile the rights of artists!
Its only $10 on itunes. I’m a poor college student, and EVEN I can afford that!
As for me? I didn’t have the money to preorder from twisted.
I’m waiting for the itunes release, so i can listen to it conscious free and legally.
without filesharing i wouldn’t have known about twisted. and without filesharing i wouldn’t have spent 91.48 british pounds (or as it was at that time: 184.23$) on the twistedshop some months ago. just fyi..
When I first start listening to goa and psy trance a few years back it was shared copies. It wasn’t really playing on the local radio stations and at the time I didn’t know where to get this type of music from as it wasn’t on the shelfs of the cd shops. However because of getting into the music I now buying the albums I like from Twisted and other labels. Since September last year I’ve spent
I very rarely download music these days. But if I do, and like it, I ALWAYS order the CD(s) afterwards, no exception. And great albums like Shpongle’s and Ott’s shouldn’t be downloaded at all
If it wasn’t for the filesharing I would have missed out on so much good music! I download music all the time, but I do actually buy the music I love. Nothing beats holding the actual product in your hands, especially a good old 12” :D
But if I should pay for all the music I wanted to check out, I’d be broke years ago. Don’t blame the filesharing. Blame the people who don’t support the artists aswell. There is a lot of examples on movies and artists who have really benefit out of the file sharing community.
Oh, and a quick question. What are the odds that Skylon will be released on vinyl aswell?
Keep releasing the good stuff twisted. You guys are really shitting pure solid GOLD music! :D
[quote author=“DiMuTech”]When I first start listening to goa and psy trance a few years back it was shared copies. It wasn’t really playing on the local radio stations and at the time I didn’t know where to get this type of music from as it wasn’t on the shelfs of the cd shops. However because of getting into the music I now buying the albums I like from Twisted and other labels. Since September last year I’ve spent
That’s the topic. And on reading through again, I wrote that I agreed with the not downloading part but however I did it before. So maybe I’m a hypocrite for slating Zurro on that topic. I’m split on the argument. Alot of for and against. Rare releases that can’t be bought for example. If I hadn’t heard a clip from Hallucinogen and then got Trancespotter. Would i have gotten to hear Posford’s work and then later on bought the Lone Deranger. Would I have heard Ott? Who knows. But I did and now I’m into the Twisted music and will buy their releases. I want to buy the music. I also got into a discussion about samples etc. Then there is VSTi plugins which cost so much. I bet there are a few people here who produce music have downloaded sharewarez.
I bought Digital Mystery Tour from Twisted and there are no previews on the shop. I just trusted that it would be cool because Twisted released it. And it is a cool album. Really nice music. Becaue of it I searched info on that project who was involved etc and went on and bought the Mystery of the Yeti and Mystical experiences.
I bought Raja’s Anthology without downloading first because I knew it would be awesome. I like the Sandwich style so I will, over the course of time when money allows it buy their albums. So does this all stem back from getting a copy of Trancespotter????
Now there is myspace or lastfm etc. Before there wasn’t. I didn’t know where to hear previews and You can search for these artists. You can then hear/preview alot of music and can then decide to buy it or not. I did it with LostWhiteBrother on myspace. Heard their music and went and bought it. I did it with Shamanavi on myspace who is on here also. He’s releasing an album soon which I’ve bought and just waiting for it to be finished.
If everyone had the attitude of “Ok I’ve downloaded it and really like I’ll buy it” then it wouldn’t be so bad.
I have a simple view on this, if you can afford to buy it then you should feel very wrong ‘borrowing’ music by fileshare.
But then….. 5 seconds later there I am tinkering away with some software I really shouldnt have, pretending its OK for me to use it because Im not a ‘real music maker’ I’m just a tinkerer.
I’m actually quite surprised, that someone already piratized Skylon. I threw my nets around regularly to see since some weeks ago and Skylon seemed really resistive against the thieves. Compared to last Younger Brother, which appeared almost instantly, and Shulman, which was similar, Ott’s new masterpiece “is late”. It is just my thought, maybe I’m a bit blind, but I think that Stolen…uh, Skylon isn’t, what all sparrows on roofs are chirping about. It will change after the main release, but for now, the whole Torrent Harvester (88 torrent portals) and SoulSeek communities are surprisingly still holding their fingers away.
Cloudwalker: which country’s poor student are you? It’s always quite a difference.
I feel terribly, whenever I imagine I am Ott (or any other musical genius from around here) and I browse around on the net and I see the fruits of my many years’ effort joyfully taken unpaid, without an excuse. (like “We’re sorry Ott, but you’re such a genius that we just can’t resist, your absolute sound beauty broke our senses for the right and wrong…”)
I also felt terribly last time I bought two CD albums, which turned out really not worth of the money. (you wouldn’t believe how bad the percussion sounded on one of them, it was worse than midi and annoyingly sharp, the other album was disco-infected) Any better kind of music must be specially ordered, because no music shop has ever heard of it. They’re always looking at me quite puzzled.
Sometimes I dream of being relatively rich and paying the artists back, what do they deserve, so they can continue in making their audible dreams come true.
Sometimes I dream of being relatively rich and paying the artists back, what do they deserve, so they can continue in making their audible dreams come true
I hope this comes true for you, you have a very nice attitude.
PROS:
discovering new artists
testing out albums before you drop at $20 on them
CONS:
it’s stealing
it’s stealing
it’s stealing
both of us work for record labels and we see first hand the effects of file sharing. for smaller labels like twisted, it hurts a lot more…
i’m of the mindset that i download before i buy… if i like it, if the music is worthy, then it gets my money. if not, then it get’s deleted. sample/clips just don’t cut it anymore… if someone is going to spend their hard earned money on a record, they better damn well be sure they want it. the ONLY time i don’t download before i buy is when the cd is like… $5 on a sale rack and it looks interesting. if it weren’t for file sharing, i wouldn’t have bought at least half the albums i bought over the past 8 years… seriously…
i try and buy 1 new cd a month at least… sometimes more… some days its better to have a good new set of tunes then lunch
[quote author=“Luminon”]I feel terribly, whenever I imagine I am Ott (or any other musical genius from around here) and I browse around on the net and I see the fruits of my many years’ effort joyfully taken unpaid, without an excuse. (like “We’re sorry Ott, but you’re such a genius that we just can’t resist, your absolute sound beauty broke our senses for the right and wrong…”)
You know this is exactly how I feel.
It seems a sad thing when someone produces something beautiful and it is taken without
thanks or recognition.
However…
I do admit to pirating quite a lot of music “back in the day”.
I believe we all have a one point or another.
filesharing pros and cons:
PROS:
discovering new artists
testing out albums before you drop at $20 on them
My personal reason exactly.
The way i discovered Simon Posford was because I downloaded Paul Oakenfold remix of LSD.
I immediately found Hallucinogen - Twisted and bought it.
From there I found Shpongle, Younger Brother, Prometheus, Ott, etc….
I very rarely download music these days. But if I do, and like it, I ALWAYS order the CD(s) afterwards, no exception. And great albums like Shpongle’s and Ott’s shouldn’t be downloaded at all
If everyone had the attitude of “Ok I’ve downloaded it and really like I’ll buy it” then it wouldn’t be so bad.
So this begs the question…
Assuming that “Sampling and Album” to see what it sounds like is acceptable…
Can we, as humans, be honest enough to pay for the music we listen to and love?
