Here’s a good link to a recent article that lays out the case quite clearly for the secret move towards a North American Union:

http://jbs.org/node/7736

If you think this is a paranoid delusion of a few fringe conspiracy nuts, here’s CNN’s Lou Dobbs who often addresses this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc

Finally, here’s Mexico’s ex president expressing his desire for a NAU:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/091007_fox_admits.htm

I’d be interested to hear a rebuttal.

Have to say there is a North American Union happening. The super highway is being built. There have been several meetings between the 3 countries regarding this but it is not being broadcast to much in the media. Only bits and pieces

“If you think this is a paranoid delusion of a few fringe conspiracy nuts”

I don’t think anything else of it than what can be found to be true. If you think zeitgeist is a movie worth taking as truth, you are simply wrong.

I’ve read all about the NAU, it still is a conceptual matter, and not even close to a done deal, like zeitgeist suggested. Well on it’s way, I realize that. In fact it has been developing a long long time, zeitgeist simply gives false information about it (too).

I haven’t had the time to dig in to part 2 and 3 of the movie, but since cultures and religions have always been a hobby of mine, this is what I can say about part 1:

Horus was not born dec. 25th. In fact the date would be the end of egyptian month, Khoiak, which corresponds to our November 15th. He was not born of a virgin, there was no star to indicate the birth and no 3 men (as was not in Jesus’ story for that matter, bible never gives a number of the men).

He did not have 12 diciples. There are mentioning of four followers, and another reference to 16 followers (I guess that is where the interpretation of 12 came out of).

He was not baptized. He was not crucified or resurrected. In fact in only one of the many stories about him he dies at all.

Zeitgeist was a hard movie to watch for me, since it began with information I already knew was out right false. The latter parts tho seem keep their ground, as far as I call tell, but I’m only starting to read up on those.

Fox gives out very unresting opinions :D He seems to think the EU has been nothing but good and sunshine. As the NAU, the EU is only on its way. The new Lissabon agreement is gonna move the power forth to a smaller group of people, again.

Not complete truth, but enough of a dose to inspire further investigation, which is refreshing, especially in a country where Fox is the source of truth to millions. 

The discrepancies about Horus are interesting. What are your sources?

Probably sounded a bit defensive earlier. Sometimes my first instinct is to batter with info. It becomes a bit frustrating after a while, being from Florida and all, when so few people care to know what’s really happening. At the very least, I tell them, find out for your kids or the ones you’ll have, so they’ll know the truth. You don’t think schools will teach them, do you?
I still have a very hard time getting my mother to accept that 9/11 was perpetrated by our very own government. It really pisses me off that some super advanced CIA software spy-bot is probably scanning this very post, if not now, then in the near future. But fuck it.

[quote author=“digitalex”]Not complete truth, but enough of a dose to inspire further investigation

I agree.

[quote author=“digitalex”]The discrepancies about Horus are interesting. What are your sources?

I’ve used my own Encyklopedia Mythologica and several other encyklopedias/study books. I’ve taken several courses at Helsinki University about different religions and cultures, and I’ve asked (via e-mail) from 3 different professors about those parallels between the two.

I realized immediately that zeitgeist had used works of Massey and Acharya, which I’ve been familiar with for a long time. Masseys “Greatest story ever sold” is a fantastic book, with 300 parallels between egyptian mythology and christianity. Sadly enough, Massey was challenged to show where exactly do those parallels show, where do they read. No one knows.

By “where do they read” do you mean primary sources? Was he not able to justify his claims?
didn’t hieroglyphics play a part?

[quote author=“digitalex”]By “where do they read” do you mean primary sources? Was he not able to justify his claims?
didn’t hieroglyphics play a part?

Massey did his work in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. He studied hieroglyphs at a museum and he kinda “self-taught” himself to understand them. So he did alot of his own conclusions. Which is the right way to investigate, but still he’s being disagreed by other egyptologists.

Here’s a great site about egyptian mythology, which I believe stands it’s ground;

http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/

And also, “The greatest story ever sold” is not Masseys work, I completely mixed that up (been a long time since I read about these), but does use Masseys work as a source. It digs in to the 911 thing also.

Here’s some Massey:

http://www.theosophical.ca/AncientEgyptIntroduction.htm

Watched Zeitgeist 2 a few weeks back - great stuff.

I’d call it good, at the most. It got a bit weird near the end, what with the techno-utopia the movie envisions. If it’s all about resource management, how will the decisions be made, and who will make them? Hard to get away from an elite group of decision-makers, unless you design an autonomous computer to do the job, but then you’re looking at maybe another skynet, etc…

I thought the second movie was better than the first. They seemed to stick to an issue which can’t be disputed and that is the fraudulent making of money. However I agree with you Digitalex about the techno utopia.
This new way of thinking will be highly improbable for the majorityof the human race. It’s a hippie pipe dream that we can all, think positive and loving. Thinking of what is best for a society and not what is best for an individual. Unfortunately we have the bad un’s around us. How do we possibly weed out those people? It would be hypocritical to kill them off now wouldn’t it?
In theory, education and up briniging is the answer for for this techno based world for future generations. But how do we just stop and say ok from NOW we change and that is everyone. Not impossible but highly highly improbable.

digilatex - 07 November 2008 11:03 PM

I’d call it good, at the most. It got a bit weird near the end, what with the techno-utopia the movie envisions. If it’s all about resource management, how will the decisions be made, and who will make them? Hard to get away from an elite group of decision-makers, unless you design an autonomous computer to do the job, but then you’re looking at maybe another skynet, etc…

i just came across this topic recently while watching a documentary about jacques fresco, the futurist and inventor whose ideas were the basis for that part of zeitgeist. the movie is called “future by design” it’s totally worth watching if you want to get a better idea for how he envisages this technocracy to work. but basically the idea is that decisions are made by computers based on people’s needs. the example that he gives is that we’re already moving towards such a system, beginning with the introduction of scales in markets (vs. weighing things using your hand) all the way to current financial systems which make decisions for humans.

it’s definitely a novel idea which deserves further examination, but in any case i don’t see a resource based economy being possible for at least another century if not more. a lot of it relies on technology being advanced enough and the world overall to be quite wealthy.

as to the first zeitgeist it is a load of absolute wank. a pseudo-documentary made by an arts student whose sources were obscure conspiracy books rather than verifiable facts. this article does a great job of breaking down the bullshit:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one/