not to mention China has quite a firm grip on our balls at the moment with all the money we’ve had to borrow from them…

Well who would have thought that my first post on these forums would be about politics?
So I was born and raised in the UK, but moved to the US just in time for Bush # 2’s inauguration. I remember worrying what the man might do to the US and indeed the rest of the world, but little did I know the wanton damage he would cause.
So Airspeed, I am intrigued to know how a man that listens to the aural delights provided by Twisted Records (as open minded as it gets) can lap up right wing talking points without questioning them for a second?
Do you actually know what Socialist/Marxist means? Are you one of these folks that think Obama is the anti-christ? Do you think he was born in Africa? If you see the venom that is directed his way, please tell me on what grounds its deserved? Is it because he passed the economic stimulus bill? You know the bill that was needed to bail out the entire US economy that was driven into the dirt by Republicans (no it wasn’t the Democrats in congress that caused these problems, they were in power for 2 years and the issues that fueled the sub-prime crisis went back much further than that). Was it his attempt to reform Healthcare? You know the healthcare system that leaves nearly 50 million US citizens without healthcare, a situation that is an utter disgrace in the Worlds most affluent country? Or was it the handling of the 2 wars he inherited? You know the 2 wars that were so grossly mismanaged by Bush that they have nearly broken the worlds most powerful military.
I note that you comment on foreign policy “America didn

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You know, I’m convinced that in THEORY, Communism is awesome. But it does not work because people are greedy, selfish and materialistic. That’s the reason communism failed so badly in the countries that have tried it. What they were doing in the end had very little to do with the original thoughts of communism. True communism = utopia. And I think that’s where socialism and marxism got a bad name, especially in a communist-hating/fearing country like America. Of course, some aspects of marxism/socialism/communism/whatever can be disagreed upon, but the current free democrary with capitalism also has SERIOUS flaws. It’s just another way of doing things, and I like the theory. Not the pratice..

And I don’t really know much about Hugo Chavez, cause we don’t really get any news from that area over here. What has he done wrong? I know America doesn’t really like him and the media are probably saying bad things about him. But isn’t that just because Hugo doesn’t like America and America is afraid of people they regard as communists?
Ok I just saw he’s regarded as an autocrat. That’s wrong and has nothing to do with marxism or socialism. For the rest he seems like someone with nice ideologies to me..

Anyway, let me try to find some common ground here, so that we can meet in the middle. Because it seems to me that the discussion is mainly driven by a different interpretation of several concepts…

Airspeed, you say

I believe in helping the less fortunate and poor as long as they respect the help that they receive from those that give a helping hand (this includes foreign and domestic aid)

You’re being a socialist there

Plus, from Wikipedia:

“Pure communism” in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life.

So yeah. Communism and democracy are not opposites. Not at all.

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Well Airspeed it seems my post had the right effect because I can only agree with everything you mentioned in your last post Selfish, greedy and lazy people are indeed a big problem.

Anyone here ever read any Iain M Banks?
What?! We’ve all gotta have dreams…

seen “the obama deception” or “fall of the republic” online? there are some who say he’s just the front man for the nwo, aka illuminati, or modern-day incarnation of a 6000 year old blood cult who seek to reduce the earth’s population by 80-90% through such global methods as a program of toxic vaccines, genetically modified food stripped of vitamins and minerals, chemtrails, and financial devastation, to name a few. The remainder of which, of course, will be bio-engineered to create their image of a flawless race. there’s a view that ob. getting a nobel is nothing more than a “prestigious” recognition of efforts made to further that agenda.
not that i think that, googs, i’m just sayin’. there’s a rumor…

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I do also believe the reason for choosing Obama for the peace nobel is because of a third world war fear they may have, regarding the latest news. It is like trying to compliment him for not being at the edges later on.