Oh, you want to help now all of the sudden? I’ll help you. Here are two ways.
1) Do what you can to remove the album from the Pirate bay, yourself being a prestigious “party member” and all, and instead add a link to the samples on www.twistedmusic.com
2) Buy a few albums from the shop for yourself, and make your friends do the same, and make sure their friends hear about it.
Or did I misunderstand your scheme of life? Do you realize how completely and utterly inane your suggestions are? Perform these two steps, and do something right, for ONCE.
EDIT:
I’m not usually this harsh, but when a pirate bay political party member strolls into the twisted forum and dictates the business model of a label he’s so dilligently trying to destroy, I cannot keep quiet. God dammit, that is where I draw the line. If someone would draw a caricature of me right now there would be fire shooting from my eyes.
1. I’m a member of a political party. That’s it. The party and the bay are not connected other than by ideology.
2. I have. Well I’ve told them to buy it digitaly if it becomes available. CD’s kind of suck. Either way, telling my few friends to buy the CD doesn’t help when the whole world is changing. Looking at the big picture that’s just naive. The sooner you accept the change the sooner you can get that windmill up. I’m not dictating the change. I see it, and I’m trying to help Shpongle work with it.
1. I’m a member of a political party. That’s it. The party and the bay are not connected other than by ideology.
2. I have. Well I’ve told them to buy it digitaly if it becomes available. CD’s kind of suck. Either way, telling my few friends to buy the CD doesn’t help when the whole world is changing. Looking at the big picture that’s just naive. The sooner you accept the change the sooner you can get that windmill up. I’m not dictating the change. I see it, and I’m trying to help Shpongle work with it.
that’s a very lame attitude. you’re accepting that because other people in the world illegaly pirate music, that all of a sudden it’s ok. what if somebody came to your job and set up right next door and did the same thing you do for free? are you all of a sudden going to do your job for free, or just say hey, i guess thats the way it is, and close because people will no longer pay you to do your job if they can get it right next door for free? if so, good luck…
why isn’t twisted allowed to fight for the right to be paid for the work they’re doing, why should they just accept illegal pirating as the future of music? they have just as much right to fight to sell their music as you believe you have the right to steal and distrubte it illegally
Simon, I love you, your music, you are a master manipulator of sound, shit I wouldn’t be surprised if you could kill someone with sound. I’ve messaged you on Myspace telling you how I’ve been trying to spread the love around Chicago, and it worked! I’ve got soooo many people hooked on to Shpongle, it’s great. The samples of the new album sound like mind blowing bliss. I won’t take the pussy cheater’s way and download the album, I pre-ordered mine and can’t fucking wait till it gets here. Please, keep up the good work man
I’m not here to discuss piracy. But it would be a shame to see brilliant artists like Shpongle go under because they fail to adapt and move their focus from selling copies to selling tickets.
you definitely seem to be here to discuss piracy. you made that very clear in your first post claiming to be a music pirate. why mention it at all if you had no intention of discussing it??
why not just suggest they sell more event tickets without having to announce yourself as part of a music pirate political party? do you not think that would’ve helped more as it is fairly clear this whole post has been about the leak of shpongle’s album and twisted’s and the fans’ response to it?
Face it. Times have changed and file-sharing technology is here to stay. Morals aside, people are and will continue to form virtual communities in which files are shared. Use of the word “stealing” when discussing digital media implies that there is a cost to the manufacturer to replace. A tangible CD with artwork, etc. costs money to replace if stolen from a shelf. Digital files cost nothing to copy. It’s an important distinction.
Call it stealing as large corps are so quick to do, but energy spent deriding and condemning is energy that could be used to figure out how best to adapt to the new landscape. The only labels, companies, etc. that fail will not do so because of developing technologies. They will fail because they fail to adapt. As in nature, the idea’s survival of the fittest. There have been some good suggestions so far which make sense and all boil down to one simple idea. Allow the digital media to act as promotion to attract new fans to purchase that which cannot be downloaded and shared.
This debate has been beaten to death since the advent of file-sharing, and if those who doubt its advantages could approach it with an open mind, you’d find many resources on the internets that explain it much better than I ever could or would want to.
morals aside huh ? the fact that technology exists that allows file sharing does not force us to abandon our moral values. if you could take the cd’s from a store without being caught would you still do it ?
Of course labels and artists need to adapt. Master income has been dwindling for years. Who knows what the next music carrier will be and if it could possibly be immune from piracy. doubt it. Probably enforcement attempts against piracy will provide for potentially major intrusions into our privacy, as they do now here in Canada.
This thread is mostly an emotional lament at the departure of something that used to be valued far more highly and quite differently than it is today. Like Mattman said, we can look forward to lots of freely available low quality files instead of lovingly treasured albums encapsulating the full spectrum of the artists’ musical, sonic and visual intentions.
I find it ridiculous how some people can download a CD before its release and then try to review the sound quality of the music. Of course it’s going to sound different from the actual CD which is another main reason people shouldn’t be downloading music.
I’ll admit that from time to time, I download music if i’ve never heard the artist before (I mean, who doesn’t these days). If I like the music then I will ALWAYS buy the CD to support the artist. With Shpongle though, I’ve never downloaded anything. I’ve always ordered the CD’s as soon as they were available to show support. I will be waiting for the day of the release to order the new album
I agree that file sharing is a good way for people around the world to hear different artists from different areas…but if you like the music, go buy the album, for god sakes. If you like the music enough to listen to, then support the artists and help them continue making amazing music like Shpongle has over the past decade.
morals aside huh ? the fact that technology exists that allows file sharing does not force us to abandon our moral values. if you could take the cd’s from a store without being caught would you still do it ?
Morals aside meaning regardless of your opinion on whether it’s right or wrong, people use torrent sites and will continue to do so. Those claiming the moral high ground often forget that they are claiming an objective classification of file distribution as “stealing” while those that engage in it view it as “sharing”. While neither side will convince the other, it will continue to happen, unless new technology emerges that seeks to restrain it, whereby a workaround will no doubt emerge.
The thing that a lot of pro-piracy people don’t get is that it actually costs ALOT of money to make a recording, let alone to promote it, etc.
I’m sure it all balances out if you made your tracks with softsynths in Reason in the span of an afternoon, but a serious recording takes alot of time and requires very expensive equipment. If it costs you thousands/tens of thousands to create a track, and everyone is taking it for free there is no equilibrium. That is just fucking the artists.
Again, it’s probobly ok if an artist makes music as a hobby and has a shitty setup, but if you want Shpongle quality music expecting that anyone can afford to make it for you as a free offering to promote their live show is insane.
And even then, you get this consumer attitude like “well just play more shows”. Sorry to break it to you, but it is hard for most artists (Phish aside) to make a living from only live music. And it is a hard life to be on tour for survival. It is insulting when someone on their couch says “yeah well too bad, this is the wave of the future” because they didn’t have to do one damn thing to get the music.
Charge $100 a ticket? Some people will pay, but honestly how many people do you expect would be able to afford that? If you are touring for all your income, how many times will people be willing to shell out $100 in a global recession for a show? Shit, these big extraveganza shows sometimes barely break even.
Try living as a musician before you decide you can dictate how they are paid. Or get used to a world where music actually is worth your $0. If recorded music is supposed to only for promotional purposes, do you really want an album that cost as much as a stack of fliers to make?
I’ve read through the first 11 pages or so, and I am deeply saddened and sorry for the current financial situation.
I downloaded the leak (unfortunately, patience has never been my strong suit) and even at the compressed sound quality it is a masterpiece. Pay no heed to any negative comments from trolls. It is truly a work of art, I am amazed at how what I thought was an already perfected style has evolved to something so immensely beautiful. It blows my mind that Shpongle could possibly be taken to a higher plane, but you guys have done it. This album is beyond the words I possess to describe it.
You’ve probably been perfecting your craft for more years than I’ve been alive, and it shows. You should be proud. I sincerely hope the financial situation is resolved, and although I gave into temptation and downloaded the leak, as soon as I get paid on Friday I will have the album preordered and will be waiting (impatiently, of course )to hear it in its true form.
A bit of an overrated song in my opinion. Still a great tune though.
