What’s your problem? I’ve heard a ton of albums I don’t like, even from my favorite labels. I don’t only listen to my favorite music on repeat 24/7 like pop kiddies do. I’ve listened to lots of the Twisted albums a couple times each. Some I haven’t got around to yet since there’s SO much music to listen to.
I don’t see much difference between understanding and appreciating. Either way, it doesn’t seem very smart to release a CD that you don’t appreciate, and then complain when nobody else appreciates it either.
BTW, I just realized I made a big mistake. I forgot to include Ott in that list of the few great things Twisted has released. He has a lot of beautiful tracks, and I don’t usually listen to Dub.
Perhaps he had a fight with Raj or Si, or they did something bad to him, and now he hates them, because previous posts were just the same.
I’ve never posted here before. I was a fan of Hallucinogen in the mid 90s as well. Never been a fan of Raja’s music unfortunately.
What’s wrong with Simon then? If you were a fan of Hallucinogen you should be a fan of his music and respect him. But if you don’t like his music anymore, there’s a bit of respect at least.
Ah! When I read Simons posts in this forum I got a real stone in my stomach, I’m a true Shpongle-fan and I always have been, I bought all shpongle/younger brother albums on vinyl, I started making music cus of Shpongle, I spent
What’s wrong with Simon then? If you were a fan of Hallucinogen you should be a fan of his music and respect him. But if you don’t like his music anymore, there’s a bit of respect at least.
There is respect, for his earlier music. Prior to 1997.
Actually, for a striking analogy, I tend to relate Shpongle with Infected Mushroom who I’m sure you’re also aware of. Erez made some really great goa trance music before his IM days, just as Simon did before his Shpongle days. IM’s first album was decent and they had a few great tracks after that, but otherwise it basically went down hill. People tend to attribute that (whether rightly or wrongly) to Duvdev’s influence. If Raja Ram starts singing in the next Shpongle album this analogy will come full circle. I don’t expect he will or think he’s the devil or anything, for the record, I just noticed a strong similarity between these two groups, which are probably the two most commercial groups from the psy scene.
What’s wrong with Simon then? If you were a fan of Hallucinogen you should be a fan of his music and respect him. But if you don’t like his music anymore, there’s a bit of respect at least.
There is respect, for his earlier music. Prior to 1997.
Actually, for a striking analogy, I tend to relate Shpongle with Infected Mushroom who I’m sure you’re also aware of. Erez made some really great goa trance music before his IM days, just as Simon did before his Shpongle days. IM’s first album was decent and they had a few great tracks after that, but otherwise it basically went down hill. People tend to attribute that (whether rightly or wrongly) to Duvdev’s influence. If Raja Ram starts singing in the next Shpongle album this analogy will come full circle. I don’t expect he will or think he’s the devil or anything, for the record, I just noticed a strong similarity between these two groups, which are probably the two most commercial groups from the psy scene.
Well, it’s ok, you can think whatever you want about anything. But that doesn’t mean you should disrespect two great artists like Simon and Raja Ram HERE IN THEIR OWN FORUM… You just registered to post because you noticed that Simon was actually reading and posting here.
As I said, Simon is rightfully angry, because the album was uploaded. So why are you telling us that? I don’t get it.
IMO Shpongle is the best band in the world, they’ve changed my life. I love Shpongle. This music has soul, and new ideas I really love.
Don’t come here and tell us what’s good or not good. Because you are messing with people that love Shpongle. So you’re kind of misplaced I would say. : )
That was precisely my point that the artist should understand the music he’s writing. Otherwise he’s just releasing a pile of shit that he thinks we might find divine inspiration in after listening to it several hundred times**.
There is a difference between “understanding” and “appreciating”. To avoid playing into your hijack of this thread any longer, I’ll point out that most sane people don’t bother registering with a forum for a band they hate (despite listening to every album) in order to post a misplaced, inaccurate, malicious statement…unless the dislike has nothing to do with the music, or you are in fact, insane.
he is not insane…at least he doesn’t seem to be…like that fella who posted nonsense in the shpongle section…he has a right to voice his opinion much like you or me for that matter…the fact that he is voicing his negative opinions in a forum that is populated by loyal fans of Twisted is obviously peculiar…he noted Ultimae as a good alternative to Twisted…Ultimae is a solid record label…but putting it next to Twisted is absolutely out of bounds…Ultimae has dozens of artists that cover the the full spectrum of the psy/ambient genre scope…Twisted is much smaller in comparison with only a handful of artists…whats wonderful about Twisted is that this handful of artists collaborates to create music which gives the record label a unique voice that allows it to stand out amongst other record labels…whereas labels like Ultimae don’t succeed in achieving a unique voice…simply because there are so many conflicting voices on the label…this does generate good profits though…but ineptly little to no substance…whereas Twisted’s uniqueness has unfortunately resulted in poorer incomes…with all that being said, the genre itself is arguably very complicated for the inexperienced ear that hasn’t been exposed to a lot of electronic music…which begs the following question…aren’t we all in the same boat anyway?
by the way…absolutely agree on that Infected Mushroom comment…their recent stuff has been absolutely horrendous in comparison to their early stuff…
Well, it’s ok, you can think whatever you want about anything. But that doesn’t mean you should disrespect two great artists like Simon and Raja Ram,...
Artists are just normal people who work with synthesizers and make music of various strength. I personally don’t find these artists that great. I’m not cursing them, but I’m not going to bow down and kiss their toes either.
papomania - 20 October 2009 07:28 AM
IMO Shpongle is the best band in the world, they’ve changed my life. I love Shpongle. This music has soul, and new ideas I really love.
I imagine you’ve never listened to much techno (early 90s), trance (early 90s), goa trance (mid 90s), ambient (90s), or psychill (current). There’s lots of music with soul and Shpongle doesn’t jump out as one of them. Heard the first 2 albums of Entheogenic?
he is not insane…at least he doesn’t seem to be…like that fella who posted nonsense in the shpongle section…he has a right to voice his opinion much like you or me for that matter…
Thanks.
DumbDuck - 20 October 2009 07:36 AM
he noted Ultimae as a good alternative to Twisted…Ultimae is a solid record label…but putting it next to Twisted is absolutely out of bounds…Ultimae has dozens of artists that cover the the full spectrum of the psy/ambient genre scope…Twisted is much smaller in comparison with only a handful of artists…whats wonderful about Twisted is that this handful of artists collaborates to create music which gives the record label a unique voice that allows it to stand out amongst other record labels…whereas labels like Ultimae don’t succeed in achieving a unique voice…
OK! Too much! Ultimae actually only has a couple main artists: Aes Dana (1), Asura (1), Solar Fields (1), Carbon Based Lifeforms (2). They took a couple more on in the last year or two, granted. But most of their music sounds all the same and is basically the definitition of “psybient”, barring 1 album by Solar Fields.
They’re one of my favorite labels. BTW, I think their strategy of releasing beautiful digipaks with 20 page booklets really helps sell the CDs, rather than just download them.
Well, it’s ok, you can think whatever you want about anything. But that doesn’t mean you should disrespect two great artists like Simon and Raja Ram,...
Artists are just normal people who work with synthesizers and make music of various strength. I personally don’t find these artists that great. I’m not cursing them, but I’m not going to bow down and kiss their toes either.
papomania - 20 October 2009 07:28 AM
IMO Shpongle is the best band in the world, they’ve changed my life. I love Shpongle. This music has soul, and new ideas I really love.
I imagine you’ve never listened to much techno (early 90s), trance (early 90s), goa trance (mid 90s), ambient (90s), or psychill (current). There’s lots of music with soul and Shpongle doesn’t jump out as one of them. Heard the first 2 albums of Entheogenic?
Yes and I don’t like any of them. I like Shpongle.
What’s your point? Please share it with us. You want us to listen the music you like? Lol, get outta here.
Yes and I don’t like any of them. I like Shpongle.
What’s your point? Please share it with us. You want us to listen the music you like? Lol, get outta here.
I’m trying to help you. You don’t even like Simon’s Twisted album? This is like fans of Legend of the Black Shawarma who don’t like The Gathering. It saddens me. You know nothing of soulful music. You probably listen to Lady Gaga on the side, am I right?
Erez made some really great goa trance music before his IM days, just as Simon did before his Shpongle days.
That’s because it’s a different band? Hallucinogen still exists, see the strangled cat song on their myspace. It sounds like Hallucinogen, while Shpongle sounds like Shpongle. It’s just a matter of taste. There are bands that I used to like up to the point where the sound of their music changed so much that I didn’t really feel like listening to them anymore. Maybe you simply don’t like the sound of Shpongle but happened to enjoy Hallucinogen. But does that mean that Shpongle is “lousy music”? I really, really don’t like any of the acts on Ultimae for example, after checking out their artists real quick. I know most of them and all those names do is reminding me of those cold ambient sonic carpets that don’t seem to go anywhere, accompanied by the same old drum beats in the background. That’s my personal opinion of most of those artists. Does that mean it’s lousy music? Nope, I guess there are lots of people out there who love that stuff. And you know what? More power to them, I hope they bathe in money from now on. See what I’m saying?
Shpongle has always had that sound that I can’t really describe… it just sounds shponglish, I guess. There is no other band that really compares. And that kinda goes for the whole label. If someone told me “Hey, check this out, it’s really good” and I asked “Alright, what is it?” “Well, it’s this new band they got on Twisted” I would absolutely trust that guy 100% that it’s worth the money and I would probably buy whatever they have without listening to any samples. They have created something unique and losing it is not an option. Buy more hoodies!
Yes and I don’t like any of them. I like Shpongle.
What’s your point? Please share it with us. You want us to listen the music you like? Lol, get outta here.
I’m trying to help you. You don’t even like Simon’s Twisted album? This is like fans of Legend of the Black Shawarma who don’t like The Gathering. It saddens me. You know nothing of soulful music. You probably listen to Lady Gaga on the side, am I right?
Well it was fun posting here, I’m out for now.
I never asked for help. So that was why you registered, to help me? Well, thank you so much for your “help” but I did not need it. I like Hallucinogen albums, so don’t tell me what I like because you don’t know me.
Who says that I should like the shit you listen to?
I guess I’ll leave out the whole part about downloading and just say it’s unfortunate. Unfortunate these guys aren’t rich from all the great music they’ve created, but at the same time I don’t think people should be denied the wonderful music just because they can’t afford it. We just need to remember that it is our duty as fans to support the artists. Whether you buy the album, the DVD, a T-shirt, a few mousepads, whatever… just give something back to the artists for the great music you enjoy.
It sucks it was leaked. Would be nice to at least wait until they have a chance to sell it before everybody goes to town on the downloads. Kind of a dick move to steal it from the press or whatever. Can’t blame anybody for not wanting to wait the extra 2 weeks though.
Lastly, best of luck to Simon, Raja, and the rest of the guys at Twisted. You guys release some of the best music I’ve ever heard. Don’t get too down, I know you’ve got bills to pay but at the least you’ve influenced the world by making all of our lives a little (or a lot) better. Here’s to the next great album.
he is not insane…at least he doesn’t seem to be…like that fella who posted nonsense in the shpongle section…he has a right to voice his opinion much like you or me for that matter…
Thanks.
DumbDuck - 20 October 2009 07:36 AM
he noted Ultimae as a good alternative to Twisted…Ultimae is a solid record label…but putting it next to Twisted is absolutely out of bounds…Ultimae has dozens of artists that cover the the full spectrum of the psy/ambient genre scope…Twisted is much smaller in comparison with only a handful of artists…whats wonderful about Twisted is that this handful of artists collaborates to create music which gives the record label a unique voice that allows it to stand out amongst other record labels…whereas labels like Ultimae don’t succeed in achieving a unique voice…
OK! Too much! Ultimae actually only has a couple main artists: Aes Dana (1), Asura (1), Solar Fields (1), Carbon Based Lifeforms (2). They took a couple more on in the last year or two, granted. But most of their music sounds all the same and is basically the definitition of “psybient”, barring 1 album by Solar Fields.
They’re one of my favorite labels. BTW, I think their strategy of releasing beautiful digipaks with 20 page booklets really helps sell the CDs, rather than just download them.
...surely the real substance of the record label lies within its music…not 20 page booklets that kill forests…
psybient or ambidelic? here’s a monkey wrench for ya…
