DiMuTech - 21 November 2009 03:39 PM

Ott - 21 November 2009 05:49 AM

Everyone mixes in a towelling bathrobe don’t they?

Err yeah sure we all do.
Seriously though thanks for the insight.

Is Ott the Noel Coward of progressive electronica?

High-end Outboard gear is even becoming obsolete now with acustica audio nebula 3 (no mac version yet) which can dynamically reproduce non-linear gear like vintage compressors, eq’s and tape.  I bought it a while ago and it blew me away, though you wouldn’t be able to put it on every channel, this is the same with outboard gear.

psy4ia - 21 November 2009 07:03 PM

High-end Outboard gear is even becoming obsolete now with acustica audio nebula 3 (no mac version yet) which can dynamically reproduce non-linear gear like vintage compressors, eq’s and tape.  I bought it a while ago and it blew me away, though you wouldn’t be able to put it on every channel, this is the same with outboard gear.

Yeah well I got it too and as cool as algorithmic modeling sofware is , to use the word obsolete is just plain ridiculous. Seriously dude, Have you ever used a Manley Massive Passive or Variable MU opto comp, A Pultec eqp1a, Massenberg Isometric EQ, Avalon Vt77 ect..? Would I swap using any of these for a plug in? Ahh don’t think so. The Joe Meek plug in is nothing close to my opto compressor.

Dimentagon - 21 November 2009 09:07 PM

Yeah well I got it too and as cool as algorithmic modeling sofware is , to use the word obsolete is just plain ridiculous. Seriously dude, Have you ever used a Manley Massive Passive or Variable MU opto comp, A Pultec eqp1a, Massenberg Isometric EQ, Avalon Vt77 ect..? Would I swap using any of these for a plug in? Ahh don’t think so. The Joe Meek plug in is nothing close to my opto compressor.

who has the money for that stuff? The Manley alone is $4K.

I’ll take the plug ins any day and save my money.

It’s not about the quality of the gear anyways, its about the quality of the song. If a producer can’t make a quality track with stock plugs in Cubase or Ableton, then a Manley isn’t going to be their saving grace. It just means they’re over compensating.

psilogod - 22 November 2009 12:16 AM

If a producer can’t make a quality track with stock plugs in Cubase or Ableton, then a Manley isn’t going to be their saving grace.

Absolutely. Equipment fetishism mystifies me.

psilogod - 22 November 2009 12:16 AM

who has the money for that stuff? The Manley alone is $4K.

I’ll take the plug ins any day and save my money.

It’s not about the quality of the gear anyways, its about the quality of the song. If a producer can’t make a quality track with stock plugs in Cubase or Ableton, then a Manley isn’t going to be their saving grace. It just means they’re over compensating.

Hey I totally agree, my point was that software will never make hardware obsolete. The algorithms and code for the plugs is in most cases ported from the hardware versions of digital boxes. Gear Fetish Porn and lust is a one way ticket to divorce, bankruptcy, unquenchable desire and has never made a bad track good. There is no talent or skill black box or plug in. Is it all necessary? Well that depends on what you are doing and whats at hand. If its in the studio i am at and then cool.“Dip a turd in chocolate and take a bite and its still tastes like shit”. I agree that modeling software has been one of the greatest innovative leaps in plug in technology opening up incredible possibilities.

+1 happy Reason user. Fun, intuitive, as simple or as complex as you want/need and also Rewire makes it easilly expandable into almost any DAW for live recording, mixing etc..

Ott - 21 November 2009 06:11 AM

I always end up rendering the audio out and continuing in Nuendo after a few hours but for that initial writing burst Reason is unbeatable.

Hi Ott!

I am new to this forum. I have just started learning music production and I’m pleased to have found your recommendations on where to begin. There are just too many choices and this makes for a great confusion in the apprentice’s mind without a guide. I don’t know Reason well, but I understand it doesn’t have all the processing capabilities of Nuendo, and that’s why you export your tracks as audio for further processing there. So am I getting it right? You produce the basic track with Reason’s synths, drummers etcetera, and then process the exported audio files in Nuendo so to add any sort of effects to the audio tracks. You use these effects to give texture to your tracks that would otherwise sound too mechanical in Reason, but the non-processed concept was made in Reason already! It would be interesting to me to hear the difference between the post-Reason and post-Nuendo loops.

As a complete newbie, the only thing that would puzzle me in this exchange between programs is that you wouldn’t be able to automate specific synth commands in the final track in Nuendo, since the final composition would be made of genuine rendered audio…but I suppose that you’d export more versions of a specific loop made in Reason, with a different synth setting in this case, and fade between them. I hope I’m making somewhat of a sense…as said I’m very new to all this and I’m not aware of all “best practices”.

Is it crazy to ask what is it that you do in Nuendo specifically? I suppose you’d add sidechained compressions, phasers and flangers, and things like that. Not sure if you’d timewarp your loop or modify it in other ways. I don’t know Nuendo at all so I’m using the Ableton/Logic language I know.

I hope I’m not getting too specific and technical. But as you probably know it’s the technical, sometimes simple/routine things an amateur has to figure out so he can pour his own ideas to the world. Now easy as I don’t have any (good) producer around I can ask to…that’s where the internet saves. Of course the best for my personal study would be to find your very reason files, but I’m not asking for that. =)

So, I hope you can make some clarity on that. Cheers!

This is good advice about reason, i want to bring it up a notch:

I spent too long in clip view in ableton live, not finishing anything in the end it just killed my creativity.

I am now a Happy Propellerhead Reason+Record user now, its limited to what you need and no more - i can focus on writing music now and experiment a bit with the internal routing if i want to do something different. The channel compressors and main bus compressor are more than enough to make a good mix.

At least i get half a song finished now