ok trying this again, i posted this once but the illuminati deleted it lol.
This is kind of related to a previous thread, “Nothing lasts… What does it mean?” We were talking about the deeper meanings and concepts in this amazing visionary work of art. How it goes thru repeating cycles, like a time lapse effect, representing samsara, the perpetual cycle of life and death, reincarnation, the journey of the soul. How everything is a microcosm, you go thru the same type of cycle on a smaller level when in altered states, when dreaming, like life is made up of the same thing, the same cycles repeating over and over and over again on smaller and smaller levels, or larger and larger levels. Kind of like the movie Waking Life (which is of course sampled in Nothing Lasts) where he wakes from a dream into another dream, and another, and he starts to feel trapped in this cycle.
Recently i did a little research on fractal geometry, and found out that mathematicians have been finding the same cycles in nature for a long time now. They talk about how fractal geometry can be found in clouds, plants, our lungs, etc. They say that the way your subconscious mind controls your eye movement when looking at something is even based on fractal geometry. Nature seems so random and chaotic, but it’s actually based on fractal geometry, there is a mathematical formula that can describe a cloud. The problem is, as with most scientists and mathematicians, they are only concentrating on matter. I think this fractal geometry also applies to energy, which would explain why life seems like an endless repeating cycle.
Here is a cool link that lets you zoom into the famous Mandlebrot Set. This is from the same site as the cool strobe illusion thing that Si posted a while ago. As I zoom into this shape I get the same feeling as I get when listening to Nothing Lasts, or watching the movie Waking Life. It’s the same concept explained with math instead of music and art, the infinite repeating shapes. You can pick a part of this shape that is pretty much microscopic, and zoom into it, once you get to that point the shape looks exactly the same as it did before you started zooming in. Theoretically you can zoom into this shape infinitely, and you will see the same shapes repeated over and over again on a smaller and smaller level, microcosms of the larger shape. To me this shape represents life very accurately. http://neave.com/fractal/
there are tons of cool pictures on the internet of fractal art, animations of 3d fractals and all kinds of stuff like that, but to me nothing beats the Mandlebrot set. I think you can learn a lot about life, the universe, etc just by exploring this shape.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that thousands of people report seeing ‘geometric hallucinations’ after smoking dmt, and then mathematicians find out that pretty much everything in nature is based on fractal geometry. Its like this is gods blueprint, the starting point of all creation.
This has really been blowing my mind and I need to discuss it with some other people that have been shpongled.
my first massive realization of fractals was the first night i ingested p. cubes.
we were playing with glowsticks and i broke one. the pressure of me folding the glowstick around made the liquid mist out all over the floor. as time were slowed down, you could see the spiraling fractals in the mist, and fractals of the droplets hitting the floor. it wasnt long before i realized the droplets of glowstick juice looked like the same patterns in the night sky, i had began noticing that very night.
a good fractal will tickle my brain in such a unique way, i truly love getting lost in them. i think its why shpongle and other psy artists really get me thinking and moving.
fractal fact: mandelbrot came up with an equation for fractals to measure the coast lines.
i fist noticed them on cubes too as a matter of fact, well, i didnt really know it was fractals, and it wasnt a shape that i saw. It was like the movie waking life, i felt myself going thru these cycles over and over again, and i was stuck in it. Now i have learned to accept that and have realized that every aspect of existence is fractal, but the first time noticing it like that really freaked me out. I dont think people usually refer to things like that as fractals, but if you think about it, its the same exact quality just with energy instead of matter. Now i believe that everything is like fractals, everything you can see, the clouds, trees, splatters of glow stick juice on the floor, AND everything you can’t see, the very nature of the universe, energy, experiences, existence.
i believe we are on the same page exactly 013akilper, Thanks for that response, it made perfect sense to me. this concept is extremely difficult to explain, but i think Nothing Lasts but Nothing is Lost does it perfectly. Its not just the physical shape of things that is fractal, but the nature of existence as a whole.
I belive that everything we see, feel, hear, touch, is only a very small fraction of reality, i describe it as a single brush stroke in a large painting. The painting is made up of thousands, maybe millions of brush strokes, and that single brush stroke itself is actually made of thousands of even smaller brush strokes, each laid down by a single fiber of the paintbrush. So anyway were looking at one brush stroke of this painting, maybe were not even seeing the entire brush stroke, and thats physical reality. Scientists and mathmaticians have discovered that this part of reality is made up of fractal geometry, but they havent seen that the other 99.9% of reality, even though its not restricted to physical form, is also based on fractal geometry. That sounds like a contradiction, how can something that does not have a physical form be based on geometry? its a paradox, and thats why its so damn hard to talk about it with these stupid words! This will be much easier to discuss when we come up with a new way to communicate
- oh and thanks for that link i will deffintely check it out
^ thats an interesting observation. ive seen the web of galazy cluster pictures your talking about while watching a speech from Paul Stamets, he was talking about how similar the mycelium networks are to the galaxy clusters, and the neurons in our brain.
*edit, just checking out that video now, its bad ass thanks for that link!
i call bs. actually, i called it before even doing some research on this guy, but here is a breakdown of all the things that are wrong with his arguments:
it’s really sad that he and/or his organisation are making serious money from this, when real research is struggling for funding. i hope people do their research before they decide to donate to this cause.
ps. this guy has a really poor understanding of physics, and his collaborator (who used to work at a reputable university) is a phycist who now studies parapsychology and remote viewing. i dislike pseudoscience as much as i dislike religion…
Im only on the second part of the first dvd you posted the link to, that is a long video! My first impressions were not good, i was thinking, stop trying to be funny and get to the point. It got better though, by the second part i was pretty impressed. Now im not going to give this guy any money, but i dont think hes doing anything wrong. If i could make money by taking about all of my crazy ideas in front of a camera and an audience I would deffinitely do it, and anybody that says they wouldnt is full of shit.
Im really interested in how hes describing the relationship between finite spaces and infinity, how they compliment eachother and one would not be possible without the other. That is an awesome concept and he explains it in a way that is relatively easy to understand, which is no easy task. A lot of people would say that Terrence Mckenna’s work is pseudoscience, a lot of people probably say the same about Paul Stamets. If Aldous Huxley would have claimed to be a scientist rather than an author, people probably would have said the same about him. These are all just labels, their only purpose is to close your mind and put limits and walls on things, comforting your ego. I say this guy has some cool ideas, are they all backed by solid scientific proof? probably not, but solid scientific proof can only take you so far, it only gives you a very small part of the whole message, to get the rest of the message you have to search your mind, and sometimes the answers you find will not make complete sense to your liimited ego. I believe this is because life is a paradox, its not supposed to make perfect sense to our limited ego that wants to put everything in a nice box and say, yep thats life, thats all there is too it, nothing more, nothing less, makes perfect sense. If this was possible there would be no point to this physical exitence anyway.
When i am thinking about this stuff, (existence, god, the universe, all that stuff that is extremely hard to think about and even harder to talk about) i go thru a process. All along the way all of these ideas i have seem to make perfect sense, like a puzzle or a mathmatical equation, im going along on this train of thought and my ego is nice and happy because everything is making perfect sense. And then something happens, and all i can do is smile. That train of thought leads me to something that i cant make sense of, the question that cannot be answered, the paradox that is existence. And thats how i know that im on to something real. The same thing happens in math, they call these questions that cannot be answered monsters. A very good example of a mathmatical monster is fractal geometry. Which oddly enough is exactly what this “psuedoscientist” is talking about.
